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- From: Allan Girvan <allan@girvan.demon.co.uk>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Acorn RiscPC --- a thought?
- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 02:03:39 GMT
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- On Tue, 06 Feb 96, Niki Hemmings wrote:
-
- > Allan Girvan <allan@girvan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
- > >On Mon, 05 Feb 96, Neil wrote:
- > >> Has anyone in the amiga fold thought of looking at the Acorn RiscPC platform?
- > >> It seems to be in a similar vein to the BeBox, has loads of native software,
- > >> is really quick esp. with graphics, can run PC software witgh a coprocessor
- > >> too, has optional multi-processor capability and runs NetBSD.
- >
- > [...]
-
- Ooh, err...
-
- A bit of selective snipping there. (Like my pointing out the fact that
- there is bugger all software for the Acorn). Still, it's your post and I
- suppose you can do what you like with it.
-
- > >The fact remains that nobody (apart from Acorn) supports the ARM stuff.
- > >Apple tried using it with the Newton and look where that got them!
- >
- > Yeah, you've got a point there, the Newton's failure was obviously entirely
- > down to the processor they chose. Like the way the 1084 monitors weren't
- > very popular because of the make of capacitors in them...
- >
- > I think not!
-
- You are entitled to your opinion. Your opinion, however, does not in any
- way alter the fact that the Newton used ARM chips. Neither does your
- opinion detract from the generally held view that the Newton has been an
- abject failure.
-
- What makes you think that Amiga Technologies would fare any better by
- porting Amigados to the same, almost unheard of, processor? Where are the
- third party developers? Who would bother converting their software?
-
- > >The fact that it can emulate an IBM Clone is hardly a selling point - IBM
- > >Clones are cheaper.
- >
- > Now this is it. This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone
- > say, EVER!
- >
- > Like, suppose you suddenly introduce IBM compatibility into the Amiga,
- > instantaneously allowing it to run countless amounts of industry standard
- > software, and you say that's NOT A SELLING POINT?!?
-
- Again you have selectively snipped! I was talking about the Acorn. The fact
- that it (the Acorn) can emulate an IBM Clone is hardly a selling point -
- IBM clones are cheaper! I stand by this. I made no mention of IBM
- compatibility for the Amiga. But I will now...
-
- Picture the scene - Person "A" goes into a local computer shop wanting to
- buy a machine that will run Doom! The helpful salesperson says "No problems
- - buy this here 486 job for six hundred quid and all your problems will
- be solved, or... you could buy this Acorn - it costs a fortune, uses an
- obscure processor and runs Windows reasonably well". (What exactly is the
- price of a top of the range RISC-PC these days? And forget the educational
- discount!)
-
- *No Sale*
-
- But try...
-
- "Or you could buy this Amiga - it's about the same price as a Mac and it'll
- run all of your IBM and Mac software and it has its own multitasking OS
- built in"
-
- > You, my friend, are completely out of your tree!
-
- A matter of opinion. Obviously I would tend to disagree.
-
- > >Bits of every decent GUI were ripped off by Windows 95 - Acorn more than
- > >most! (But that's Microsoft for you!) But you can't honestly expect Amiga
- > >users the world over to pin their colours to a largely untried processor
- > >with next to nothing in the way of software whose only claim to fame is
- > >that the same engineers once made the BBC micro!
- >
- > You know what, I get the feeling that the original poster WASN'T "honestly
- > expecting Amiga users the world over" to do this. His words were, "Has
- > anyone in the amiga fold thought of looking at the Acorn RiscPC platform?"
-
- The answer is, very probably, "Yes, but they decided it wasn't worth it".
-
- > That's just a TEENY bit different from demanding us all to switch
- > platforms, don't you think?
-
- So what was the point of the original post?
-
- How about...
-
- "Hey guys, has anyone considered porting Amigados to the 6502 - you can
- plug in a Zilog Z80 and get full CPM emulation!"
-
- Or this...
-
- "Hey guys, have you looked at the way the Cray X-MP does things? Wouldn't
- that be great for the Amiga?"
-
- Neither statement actually recommends that we jump in any direction but
- they are, nevertheless, likely to elicit the same sort of response as the
- Acorn suggestion.
-
- > The point is, there are a lot of sensible, clever things about the RISC-PC,
- > and the Amiga community would do well just to take a look at it.
- > Personally, the thought of being able to slap a Pentium into my Amiga and
- > start running the latest PC software from the same box, in an intuition
- > window, at full speed, rather appeals to me.
-
- I agree! I agreed in my original post (I think my exact phrase was "It's
- technically brilliant" but you seem to have snipped that!) I will still be
- agreeing long after Acorn have died a slow and painful death. The harsh
- reality is that hardly anyone actually uses the bloody things so it's not
- going to happen.
-
- The likelihood of Acorn RISC Machines being around next year is considerably
- less than PPCs still being around.
-
- If you were in charge of AT, which one would you go for?
-
- Cheers,
-
-
- Allan.
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